This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

i got the grooming and clothes and even living space guys, but never understood why the food guy deserved deference, and what was the fifth guy? I felt bad for him- culture? i only remember he showed how to tear the plastic wrap over a CD case.

Translation: I like posting! Except for the typing part, which is hard.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

one big problem with ladies sports is that to be good you have to have tiny titties (except for tennis)

Golf. Curling. The Lingerie Bowl.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Translation: I like posting! Except for the typing part, which is hard.

i wish the death panels would get started up already.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Golf. Curling. The Lingerie Bowl.

golf and curling it's true for the men too.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

It started with the notion that gender-qualifying Semenya (giggle) was an Orwellian and creepy thing to do to a woman. My point, admittedly too obvious to even be noticeable, is that gender-qualifying women's sports is something athletic organizations do to prevent men from dominating women's sports. And then I went off on a tangent about how I think it's a good thing to have separate divisions for men and women and not to treat one division as the Varsity to which a select few women will graduate, because it will emphasize that men are the champions. It is quite clearly the opposite view from Thurgreed's, since he believes that a woman placing midfield in a field of men will be inspirational to young female athletes and their supporters and sponsors, and I think it will be demoralizing.

Perhaps the WNBA is a bad example, since it's universally agreed that it's a different game, though I question cause and effect. And obviously there are great examples of when it isn't (or needn't be) a different game -- things like chess, archery, and maybe the Tour de France. Golf is a wobbler because of the modern importance of long drives. The record holder for all tournament play is 515 yards. Meanwhile, this year's men's champion long driver hit it 400 yards, while the women's world champion hit it 254 yards (into a 40 mph headwind), and she used to be a man.

I basically meant that a sport is entitled to find that the inclusion of men and women in a single competition is either consistent with, or not consistent with, the nature of the demands of their sport, and that it not be considered sexist per se when they decline to "allow" women to participate in the men's division, because there are good reasons why that might be so.

I understand. And thank you for clarifying.

This is tangential as well, but I am thinking of your last paragraph and thinking that there are two competing things going on here. One is what is best for the sport and the other is money. There is more money in professional men's sports, so no wonder women want to compete at that level. However, as you point out, it doesn't always make sense from a "what's best for the sport and the athletes involved in that sport" perspective. Nevertheless, as long as men's sports receive more financial support and are considered "the best," there are going to be ambitious women who want some of that money and prestige, if it is at all doable. (this has nothing to do with Semenya and track, but if we're going to talk about pro sports, we shouldn't ignore the money).

[Gattigap]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

I'm sorry. I blame my lady-brain and my tits.

Ah fuck, now you've gone and done it. I can't believe that you've broken the Flinty code that has been pretty much adhered to as long as we've been here. You think he was fixated on women's special parts before? Now I'll be getting 500 more PMs from Flinty about how a certain someone's totally sweet on him now, and it's time for some serious monkey grooming to prepare himself for the inevitable tsunami of FBetty love coming his way. Fuck.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Translation: I like typing!

POTY, Taking the Piss Out of Atticus Division.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

It started with the notion that gender-qualifying Semenya (giggle) was an Orwellian and creepy thing to do to a woman. My point, admittedly too obvious to even be noticeable, is that gender-qualifying women's sports is something athletic organizations do to prevent men from dominating women's sports. And then I went off on a tangent about how I think it's a good thing to have separate divisions for men and women and not to treat one division as the Varsity to which a select few women will graduate, because it will emphasize that men are the champions. It is quite clearly the opposite view from Thurgreed's, since he believes that a woman placing midfield in a field of men will be inspirational to young female athletes and their supporters and sponsors, and I think it will be demoralizing.

Perhaps the WNBA is a bad example, since it's universally agreed that it's a different game, though I question cause and effect. And obviously there are great examples of when it isn't (or needn't be) a different game -- things like chess, archery, and maybe the Tour de France. Golf is a wobbler because of the modern importance of long drives. The record holder for all tournament play is 515 yards. Meanwhile, this year's men's champion long driver hit it 400 yards, while the women's world champion hit it 254 yards (into a 40 mph headwind), and she used to be a man.

I basically meant that a sport is entitled to find that the inclusion of men and women in a single competition is either consistent with, or not consistent with, the nature of the demands of their sport, and that it not be considered sexist per se when they decline to "allow" women to participate in the men's division, because there are good reasons why that might be so.

Can women compete in the Tour de France? Just wondering.


eta: Yes, please do google that for me.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

i wish the death panels would get started up already.

Why can't you just be a good sport, like Atticus? If you tried to be more like Atticus in all ways, I think you would find that your smoldering rage would largely dissipate, and your liver would hurt less.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Translation: Women are and will always be slower and weaker than men and therefore should just accept their subservient role to men in our society and in the world.

Maybe, but only if you consider correcting our grammer to be a subservient role.

I'm sure that, on whatever planet dtb inhabits, the proofreaders rule.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Can women compete in the Tour de France? Just wondering.


eta: Yes, please do google that for me.

Translation: Women are not only slower and weaker when just using their bodies, but are even slower and weaker when aided by mechanical devices such as bicycles. Which makes it O.K. for me to order them to perform menial internet-related tasks for me.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Golf. Curling. The Lingerie Bowl.

MMA, until last week.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Translation: Women are not only slower and weaker when just using their bodies, but are even slower and weaker when aided by mechanical devices such as bicycles. Which makes it O.K. for me to order them to perform menial internet-related tasks for me.

I think he was asking Atticus to google it for him.

And PLF, I think that you are missing the point of Sidd's posts. He is attempting humor by acting all over-the-top sexist. It's called hyperbole. (He doesn't really mean it).

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I'm saying even in [wherever] I don't think the girls customarily get the same focused support and encouragement for [whatever] that boys get.

And we're a long way from seeing that change.

Wow, you've exposed a hidden truth. Bravo.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Translation: Women are not only slower and weaker when just using their bodies, but are even slower and weaker when aided by mechanical devices such as bicycles. Which makes it O.K. for me to order them to perform menial internet-related tasks for me.

In my experience, women get a lot more from mechanical devices than do men.