This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

The next day she went to her drawer, looked up her local attorney at law,
went to the phone and filed the police report and then she took the guy's ass to court.
Well, the day he stood in front of the judge he screamed, " She lies that little slut!"
The judge knew that he was full of shit and he gave him 25 years
And now his heart is filled with tears.

That night in jail it was getting late.
He was butt-raped by a large inmate, and he screamed.
But the guards paid no attention to his cries.

That's when things got out of control.
The moral of the date rape story, it does not pay to be drunk and horny.
But that's the way it had to be.
They locked him up and threw away the key.
Well, I can't take pity on men of his kind,
even though he now takes it in the behind.

Was there a bigger loss to music (good music) in the past 20 years than Bradley Nowell?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I don't recall anyone suggesting that the prosecutors did something corrupt. I think the judge was talking to someone in that office who wasn't on the case.

It sounds like a man trying to use his fame to get away with rape was wary of being sentanced by a judge fond of his fame.

I was going to suggest "irony" as a descriptor, but I think "justice" is more accurate.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You think Polanski isn't going to file every imaginable paper to set the thing up for appeal if he doesn't get the result he wants? This will be costly. And there will be intense pressure on prosecutors to ensure there's no favoritism. All that was done before can be thrown out upon the right combination of applications. The extradition alone will cost the prosecution a pile of money.

Perhaps this is some nasty little joke on us by the Swiss, for fucking with their banking system with that appalling over-reach last year where we demanded they give the IRS information on UBS clients Swiss banking laws prevent the bank from giving to any other nation. We played hardball in that case, so they pay us back by giving us another ugly, tawdry courtroom celebrity drama.

Net/net, this is good for the economy. It could rescue a couple newspapers, and should drive internet traffic for a period. We can fund the trial from the stimulus money.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

This is an interview 10 years after he fled. Look at the sequence that starts at 1:35.

Based on that alone, the idea that "no one was hurt" and that he couldn't figure out what he did wrong, after he admitted what he did to her, I would put him in the meanest maximum security lockup around.

If this is American prudish morality, so be it. Thems his own words, and they hang him.

Take the cotton out of your ears and listen to the sequence again. He says, "at that time, I didn't think anyone was hurt..." and then goes on to explain why he later adjusted that view.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Take the cotton out of your ears and listen to the sequence again. He says, "at that time, I didn't think anyone was hurt..." and then goes on to explain why he later adjusted that view.

That is a weasly poorly rehearsed half-assed "adjustment." It doesn't do it. It makes a George Bush apology look sincere.

Are you really that easily conned?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

do you understand what a guilty plea does to the average length of the eventual "trial?"

Someone (AG?) suggested he could have withdrawn the guilty plea. Had he done so, he might have felt that he wasn't going to get a fair trail. The "fair trial" language was the NYT reviewer's not mine. I quoted from the NYT review, which PLF posted the link to, to answer Fugee's question about what it said. This was probably clear to everyone else, but apparently not you.

I don't think there is any question about what should happen if Polanski is subject to U.S. jurisdiction. I just question the wisdom of efforts to make that happen.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Take the cotton out of your ears and listen to the sequence again. He says, "at that time, I didn't think anyone was hurt..." and then goes on to explain why he later adjusted that view.

"[A]ccording to the victim's grand jury testimony, Roman Polanski instructed her to get into a jacuzzi naked, refused to take her home when she begged to go, began kissing her even though she said no and asked him to stop; performed cunnilingus on her as she said no and asked him to stop; put his penis in her vagina as she said no and asked him to stop; asked if he could penetrate her anally, to which she replied, "No," then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm."

This was after giving her a Quaalude and champagne.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

Well, some might argue that "descent is the highest form of patriotic" but that doesn't mean they have any credibility.

I think a lot of people felt that Michael Vick got off very easily. I also remember a number of folks around this joint who got a bit vexed that he came out of jail and didn't have too much trouble going right back into the NFL.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

I was just thinking to myself about how much I love Polanski's work (Chinatown is my favorite movie) and how it seems that I tend to like the work of people who are total assholes. Picasso (asshole) is my favorite artist, Wagner (anti-semitic asshole) composed my favorite opera and Polanski directed my favorite movie. If I like an artist or an actor or athlete for what they do professionally, chances are they are assholes in their personal life.

Maybe there are just a lot of successful assholes.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I don't recall anyone suggesting that the prosecutors did something corrupt. I think the judge was talking to someone in that office who wasn't on the case.

Understood, but if the theory is he pleaded guilty because he knew he wouldn't get a fair trial then it seems odd that the deal to which he agreed with the prosecution seemed to be as lax as it was. Although maybe at the time 90 days psych eval. for 6 sex and drug related felonies was considered hard time.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I actually started this thread, so don't tell me how to run it- okay?

And I asked the simple question, "why would anyone feel arresting him is shocking?"

You seem to feel he was justified in fleeing, because a judge was behaving oddly. If I chose to engage that point I would devastate your position by simply noting "judges behaving oddly" is a really good reason to avoid our courts entirely.

And I don't care if his fleeing was righteous or not. he is now done fleeing, and will hopefully see a judge that behaves less oddly.

as a man more schooled in the criminal justice system than either of us once said: "Don't go to bed with no price on your head. Don't do it. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Well, I did not actually say that he was justified in fleeing. I said that, after I saw the documentary, I recall feeling that I would have fled too. And apparently the prosecutor, victim, and a number of reviewers who saw the movie had similar feelings. And I think there is a serious difference between a "judge behaving oddly," and a "judge subverting the legal system to satisfy his own megalomanical desires." But you are an advocate entitled to spin it however you feel. Ultimately, if we could we strip away your tunnel-visioned moral indignation, we would probably agree that 1) it is not that surprising that a person who fled prosecution would get arrested and extradited, and 2) the chances of the same type of judicial misconduct occurring if and when he is returned to trial here now are probably fairly slim.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

I think a lot of people felt that Michael Vick got off very easily. I also remember a number of folks around this joint who got a bit vexed that he came out of jail and didn't have too much trouble going right back into the NFL.

I know. I just have that website with those stupid signs stuck in my head.

It was just an example, and maybe not the best one, but still somewhat apt.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

Understood, but if the theory is he pleaded guilty because he knew he wouldn't get a fair trial then it seems odd that the deal to which he agreed with the prosecution seemed to be as lax as it was. Although maybe at the time 90 days psych eval. for 6 sex and drug related felonies was considered hard time.

I thought the 90 days was an evaluation period to see if he was certifiable, and assumed there would be one deal if he was crazy, a different one if he wasn't. He was released after 42 days of evalaution. I don't know if they determined him to be crazy or not.

All I have seen on the deal itself is speculation that it might not have meant jail time - has anyone seen, or did that film show, the actual terms of the deal?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

"[A]ccording to the victim's grand jury testimony, Roman Polanski instructed her to get into a jacuzzi naked, refused to take her home when she begged to go, began kissing her even though she said no and asked him to stop; performed cunnilingus on her as she said no and asked him to stop; put his penis in her vagina as she said no and asked him to stop; asked if he could penetrate her anally, to which she replied, "No," then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm."

This was after giving her a Quaalude and champagne.

Vile, no doubt. But it doesn't take away my simple point about GGG misquoting the piece. Whether I was conned? Well, that's another matter.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

I was just thinking to myself about how much I love Polanski's work (Chinatown is my favorite movie) and how it seems that I tend to like the work of people who are total assholes. Picasso (asshole) is my favorite artist, Wagner (anti-semitic asshole) composed my favorite opera and Polanski directed my favorite movie. If I like an artist or an actor or athlete for what they do professionally, chances are they are assholes in their personal life.

Maybe there are just a lot of successful assholes.

I think there is a lot to this theory. An awful lot of very successful people tend to be total assholes. In some cases, they are outright sociopaths.