I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

How hard is it to say "Kanye is batshit crazy and totally uncontrollable and it's just as likely for him to go off in a 40 minute rant as it is for him to stay on message so there's no fucking way we're letting him anywhere near there."?

That'll be a the after-the-fact explanation. But that's not going to hold much water. This guy was clearly saying, "Kayne West's music and persona are not typically or traditionally 'American.'" Full stop.

I don't think they worried about West saying something nuts in the least. I think they felt he would not be received well by the audience, and Trump's having him perform would be criticized by the lunatic right wing racists. That's probably true on both counts. But instead, the dumb fuck ducked the question by insulting West, and other artists of his race and genre. Putting aside the offensiveness of his comment which is so obvious it almost needn't be noted, I'd say: Good fucking move, dude. Great thinking there. Alienating the entire hip hop community won't come back to bite you in the ass. They don't have any platform from which to speak. Nobody hears what they have to say. No one at all.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Sebastian, before you respond with your typical contorted anti-logic in an attempt to rationalize this racist piece of shit and his racist piece of shit spokespeople, I'll let you know that some of the other acts are an Irish River Dancer and a child opera singer, neither of which are "traditionally American" in the LITERAL FUCKING SENSE OF THE WORDS. O.K., Sebastian, have at it. I'm actually looking forward to this one.

In tribute to the possibly soon-to-be-departed Val Kilmer's second finest role, "I'm [not] your huckleberry" on this one.* There's no rationalizing what that cat said.

I look at every situation subjectively. There's no benefit of the doubt to be applied here. As dog whistles go, this was a pretty strong bullhorn.


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* First being Morrison in The Doors.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Good fucking move, dude. Great thinking there. Alienating the entire hip hop community won't come back to bite you in the ass. They don't have any platform from which to speak. Nobody hears what they have to say. No one at all.

Um. You think they got any votes at all from "the entire hip hop community??"

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Um. You think they got any votes at all from "the entire hip hop community??"

I know this is what you're getting at, but how the fuck could anyone define what constitutes the "entire hip hop community?"

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Um. You think they got any votes at all from "the entire hip hop community??"

what about Nazi rap fans?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I know this is what you're getting at, but how the fuck could anyone define what constitutes the "entire hip hop community?"

TM

And isn't there a non-trivial portion of the hip hop community that does not like Kanye?

(Although the underlying racism may offend even them)

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

And isn't there a non-trivial portion of the hip hop community that does not like Kanye?

(Although the underlying racism may offend even them)

About this hip hop community -- where is it, and what are its zoning laws?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I don't usually post multiple responses to the same post, but wanted to provide this video. I'd actually be impressed if PLF knows The Goats. I wouldn't be surprised, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_F2FDpU1mM

TM

I don't know them as in "have met them" of "are friends with them" (although one of my friends used to know the main dude) but I had that album and saw them live a couple times way back in the day. Really good live show. But damn that first album was a little skit heavy, even by hip hop standards.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

alright alright- so speaking of borders, I have never been to Mexico, but I'll be in San Diego next month. Is there anything at all to going to Tijuana, or is it just ugly border city?

The guy I'm dating (look at me, I'm dating someone!) drove down to TJ last month to scope it out. He spent the night in Rosarito. He had a good time, ate some good food and said it is worth seeing, with the caveat that "I'm a sociologist so I am interested in more gritty urban stuff". Maybe not a ringing endorsement for a vacation destination. Getting across the border was relatively painless (obviously more work on the way back than on the way in).

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

So I'm saying cross the border, can say I was in Mexico once. But no benefit beyond that? I really do not need to see a purely gross city.

Crossing the border to TJ once (when I was young and full of piss and vinegar and still hated it) was enough so that I'd never set foot in Mexico again with your foot and Joey Ramone pushing.

Oddly enough I was opening for the ramones when I went down there.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I don't know them as in "have met them" of "are friends with them" (although one of my friends used to know the main dude) but I had that album and saw them live a couple times way back in the day. Really good live show. But damn that first album was a little skit heavy, even by hip hop standards.

Man, I have not listened to some of those songs in many years. But it makes a nice entree to today's Daily Dose. The title track to their first album, "Tricks of the Shade," sampled The Honey Drippers song "Impeach The President." A-fucking-men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqbEsS5kFb8

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive

The guy I'm dating (look at me, I'm dating someone!) drove down to TJ last month to scope it out. He spent the night in Rosarito. He had a good time, ate some good food and said it is worth seeing, with the caveat that "I'm a sociologist so I am interested in more gritty urban stuff". Maybe not a ringing endorsement for a vacation destination. Getting across the border was relatively painless (obviously more work on the way back than on the way in).

So not the married dude?

[notcasesensitive]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

So not the married dude?

NOT the married dude. I met this guy two days after the married dude.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I know this is what you're getting at, but how the fuck could anyone define what constitutes the "entire hip hop community?"

TM

He's saying something loads of old crotchety bigots (and non-bigots) say: Rap isn't real music. The definition of "real music" is styles similar to what old white people recall from their youth. That covers the entire hip hop community.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

About this hip hop community -- where is it, and what are its zoning laws?

I'd tell you you're using the wrong sock but now I can only think of that guy's real name and not his zoning-obsessed sock name.