This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by evenodds

I worked out with a trainer 2x per week (mentioned only because I had someone with me 2 hours a week pushing me hard not allowing me to slouch around the gym) and did cardio for 60-90 minutes 4 days/week with a hrm (also tracked by my trainer), and saw less progress than when I simply stopped eating carbs.

I do not recommend what worked for me for everyone, which is why I referred to it as subtle. I stopped eating carbs. I dropped my calories by maybe 100 a day when I could not exercise. Because I tracked everything, I know what worked for me and what did not. I am not guessing. I know. I know day by day my food and nutrient intake.

I lost weight and have successfully maintained it. Then I started working out again to tone, etc.

All I am saying to you is that cal in/cal out is a little more complicated than simple math.

Exactly. And cal in is different for different people. And the cal in measurements are often very wrong. Cal out varies considerably as you change weight, which is why training for a race is more likely to result in weight loss than steady going to the gym and working out the same amount every time you go. Each week you're building miles and running more than the week before. As you lose more weight and your body becomes more efficient (in part because of muscle build up, in part because you're not having to work as hard to move as much bulk around), you need to expend more energy to burn the same amount of calories.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Fugee

The first 5 minutes of the new season of Grey's Anatomy.

Thurgreed better have plenty of tissues ready.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watc..._of_greys.html

I gave up on this show mid-season the second of third season. What's her name was too fucking annoying.

TM

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I love the fat guys in the gym who spend all their time doing ab work and lifting. Just stop. If you don't do any cardio, you're not helping anything. Hell, you're never even going to see your abs.

Why do people think situps will make their stomach look ripped? A healthy diet and cardio is the only thing that will allow you to see your abs.

TM

Just a thought. For some "fat guys" (not all, but some) a sudden increase in activity presents health risks, especially if they have certain cardiac or circulatory problems. Many times, their doctors will prescribe a limited set of exercises to get them into the habit of movoing and begin to slowly improve cardio-pulmonary function. Their cardio may well consist of walking home instead of taking a cab, or walking up the three flights of stairs when they get home.

I'm not disagreeing with your general proposition. However, there are countervailing health issues. In addition, there are also a significantnumber of studies that suggest that if someone is morbidly obese, no exercise or diet regimen alone will produce meaningful weight loss. For some people, surgical intervention will be their only real chance at weight loss.

This stuff isn't always as simple as you suggest.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

I did the "stop eating carbs" thing once and it had a dramatic effect on weight loss. I was exercising a lot at the time, but still -- it did have a huge effect. (Problem is, carbs are yummy.)


So, I'm saying, you aren't a total nut-job. Even if you really do know day by day your food and nutrient intake, which I gotta say wigs me out a bit.

My doc was more helpful at the last check up. He said his only worry was that my cholestral was moving into a "grey zone" - not bad yet, not good either - and that would be helped by either more exercise or a bit of weight loss or getting younger.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

Just a thought. For some "fat guys" (not all, but some) a sudden increase in activity presents health risks, especially if they have certain cardiac or circulatory problems. Many times, their doctors will prescribe a limited set of exercises to get them into the habit of movoing and begin to slowly improve cardio-pulmonary function. Their cardio may well consist of walking home instead of taking a cab, or walking up the three flights of stairs when they get home.

I'm not disagreeing with your general proposition. However, there are countervailing health issues. In addition, there are also a significantnumber of studies that suggest that if someone is morbidly obese, no exercise or diet regimen alone will produce meaningful weight loss. For some people, surgical intervention will be their only real chance at weight loss.

This stuff isn't always as simple as you suggest.

i worked with a guy who was scared of cardiacs- family history of dead by 50 parents. he rode his bike to work, ate nothing unhealthy at all, and would run when he got home.

I saw him waiting for an elevator once and I knew he was going up 2 stories. I go "Andy, WTF? why wouldn't you walk up?" he told me that stairs are too intense and too short term so as to be more dangerous that helpful.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

How about a picture of boobies?

I prefer tits.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

My doc was more helpful at the last check up. He said his only worry was that my cholestral was moving into a "grey zone" - not bad yet, not good either - and that would be helped by either more exercise or a bit of weight loss or getting younger.

JFC. This board is rapidly moving down the slope to discussions of Viagra, Cialis, and Metamucil.*

*In an old-people-in-a-bathtub way.

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

What's her name was too fucking annoying.

TM

This statement applies to virtually every female character on the show!

[evenodds]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

I did the "stop eating carbs" thing once and it had a dramatic effect on weight loss. I was exercising a lot at the time, but still -- it did have a huge effect. (Problem is, carbs are yummy.)

So, I'm saying, you aren't a total nut-job. Even if you really do know day by day your food and nutrient intake, which I gotta say wigs me out a bit.

You know you still love me.

I don't track it as carefully for the past couple of years, but I can still spitball it pretty accurately at any given time.

I indulge -- like tonight when the lma and I will cap our workout with either pizza or chinese, or, if he is feeling "fat," sushi for him and sashimi for me -- but I pay attention and balance everything.

That's easy for me now, but that's not a weight loss plan that will work for my friend. In my opinion, he needs to take a hard look at his lifestyle and adjust his nutrition, exercise (he does play a sport competitively), and drinking. But, since he knows I have a mild ed, I don't have credibility on the issue.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

i worked with a guy who was scared of cardiacs- family history of dead by 50 parents. he rode his bike to work, ate nothing unhealthy at all, and would run when he got home.

I saw him waiting for an elevator once and I knew he was going up 2 stories. I go "Andy, WTF? why wouldn't you walk up?" he told me that stairs are too intense and too short term so as to be more dangerous that helpful.

It varies widely. I can walk for miles at a decent enough clip to get my heart rate over 125 (which for me is good) but I can't walk up the stairs from the basement without getting completely winded and having to sit down. I also can't run a block without having severe chest pain. On the other hand, I know people with cardiac problems who could keep up with Flower in a spin class, but can't walk to the park.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

Just a thought. For some "fat guys" (not all, but some) a sudden increase in activity presents health risks, especially if they have certain cardiac or circulatory problems. Many times, their doctors will prescribe a limited set of exercises to get them into the habit of movoing and begin to slowly improve cardio-pulmonary function. Their cardio may well consist of walking home instead of taking a cab, or walking up the three flights of stairs when they get home.

I'm not disagreeing with your general proposition. However, there are countervailing health issues. In addition, there are also a significantnumber of studies that suggest that if someone is morbidly obese, no exercise or diet regimen alone will produce meaningful weight loss. For some people, surgical intervention will be their only real chance at weight loss.

This stuff isn't always as simple as you suggest.

Oh, boo-hoo. Every time anyone comments on the obvious inferiority of fat people, you have to bring up your bum heart.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

JFC. This board is rapidly moving down the slope to discussions of Viagra, Cialis, and Metamucil.*

*In an old-people-in-a-bathtub way.

So what. We're much thinner than the generation below us. We'll probably outlive them all. Remember that fat kid in class? Now half the class is that fat. Eventually, we will probably just eat them since they contain so little carbs. Mmmmmmmmm, fatty, marbled children....

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

It varies widely. I can walk for miles at a decent enough clip to get my heart rate over 125 (which for me is good) but I can't walk up the stairs from the basement without getting completely winded and having to sit down. I also can't run a block without having severe chest pain. On the other hand, I know people with cardiac problems who could keep up with Flower in a spin class, but can't walk to the park.

could flower engage in sexual intercourse for more than 15 seconds, if he could?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by evenodds

You know you still love me.

I don't track it as carefully for the past couple of years, but I can still spitball it pretty accurately at any given time.

I indulge -- like tonight when the lma and I will cap our workout with either pizza or chinese, or, if he is feeling "fat," sushi for him and sashimi for me -- but I pay attention and balance everything.

That's easy for me now, but that's not a weight loss plan that will work for my friend. In my opinion, he needs to take a hard look at his lifestyle and adjust his nutrition, exercise (he does play a sport competitively), and drinking. But, since he knows I have a mild ed, I don't have credibility on the issue.

I'm sorry, but you lost me at "spitball."

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by evenodds

You know you still love me.

I can still spitball it pretty accurately at any given time.

And now we've come full circle (pun intended!).

Or at least I have.