Election 2010: Teabaggin' the Ds & Rs

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ironweed

WTF are you talking about? Everyone who collects SS is caught in a "web"?

One thing you're right about -- this isn't an "argument."

I guess one could view the securities laws as a entrapping "web," but you have to be a real nutcase to suggest that we should do away with those (Penske, that's your cue).

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say that California lets an employer consider someone's political views and public statements when deciding whether to employ them as a political commentator.

Odd to see Penske lecturing me about how to run a business and then turn around and say that NPR shouldn't have fired Juan Williams, a man who to the best of my knowledge hasn't uttered an original or interesting thought on the radio in several years, because firing him wasn't fair.

As someone who has run a business, several, including both for and non-profits, I appreciate that notwithstanding my own desires firing someone, even those who haven't offered anything "original" or "interesting" to the organisation in years, is an action that should be approached with a lot of forethought, management and thoughtful analysis. NPR's action seems reactive and unfairly punitive. I hope he sues them.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

I'm okay with most of that, although, as we have engaged in the past, I think on an IQ type of basis you overestimate how stupid each of W, Palin or O'Donnell are. I remain of the opinion that each of their respective IQs probably falls in the slightly above average category. My limited professional experience in this realm is having had experience in the HC sector with facilities for developmentally delayed/impaired adults and having some practical insight into how a below average IQ person comports themselves in the real world.

Just stop it. "Stupidity" is not a technical word. But it is a word the meaning of which we all know. Example: Sarah Palin wants to be Vice President. Sarah Palin believes that because Alaska is closer to Russia, that she has some kind of imputed foreign policy experience. I don't care what her IQ is, that's fucking stupid. Objectively.

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

OTOH, Bush was an awful manager of the office of President, i.e. CEO of the US, and didn't have the background experience (either practical or from study) to successfully carry out his duties.

On a practical level my understanding is that, based on her relatively short stint, Palin was not a disaster as governor, although being the governor a backwardsarsed third world hick state is probably not that hard to screw up. OTOH, based on her resume, I wouldn't hire to be in charge of anything.

I am not sure what job O'Donnell is qualified for, other than poltical talking head, for which she has positioned herself for quite a lucrative career. Honestly, I'm jealous. I'd like to get paid 7 or 8 figures to travel around the country, speak off the cuff on politics, go on Maher or Fox or CNN or whatever and do the same, write a nonsensical book on constitutional thought. All of that would be a much easier gig than I have going on.

Yes. She gets a lot of attention saying stupid shit and will now make a lot of money saying more stupid shit. I believe that's the Sebby definition of smart, no?

TM

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say that California lets an employer consider someone's political views and public statements when deciding whether to employ them as a political commentator.

Odd to see Penske lecturing me about how to run a business and then turn around and say that NPR shouldn't have fired Juan Williams, a man who to the best of my knowledge hasn't uttered an original or interesting thought on the radio in several years, because firing him wasn't fair. Does Penske counsel clients to apply that standard?

I have (i) counseled clients; (ii) acted as a supervising manager with authority to hire and fire, in a very cautious manner when terminating employees (and I have "terminated" several, directly, from the lowest level admin staff to a CEO). And as cautious as I've been, I have still spent far too much time with employment attorneys working out settlement agreements.

While there have been lots of times I would have liked to be "unfair" and "heavy handed" in termination decisions, I have always taken the overly cautious route.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by ironweed

oh never fear, she's in a private hospital. Politicians who make a career gutting public institutions like hospitals and schools couldn't possibly be expected to use them themselves, could they? The public stuff is for those other people, who can't afford private because, well, because - oh who cares! I'm all right and that's all that matters.

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[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by Adder

I guess one could view the securities laws as a entrapping "web," but you have to be a real nutcase to suggest that we should do away with those (Penske, that's your cue).

More or less, yes.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

As someone who has run a business, several, including both for and non-profits, I appreciate that notwithstanding my own desires firing someone, even those who haven't offered anything "original" or "interesting" to the organisation in years, is an action that should be approached with a lot of forethought, management and thoughtful analysis. NPR's action seems reactive and unfairly punitive. I hope he sues them.

Looks like he has already mitigated whatever damages he might have suffered.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

No and not really. As a consumer of information and radio entertainment, I don't listen to NPR nor would I donate to them. I find their obvious agenda, tone and delivery too biased

I think we have a new litmus test for deciding who is dumb.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

As someone who has run a business, several, including both for and non-profits, I appreciate that notwithstanding my own desires firing someone, even those who haven't offered anything "original" or "interesting" to the organisation in years, is an action that should be approached with a lot of forethought, management and thoughtful analysis. NPR's action seems reactive and unfairly punitive. I hope he sues them.

Oh, and it's good to know that all of the conservatives who are defending Juan Williams were lining up behind David Weigel when he got canned by the Washington Post for expressing personal opinions on Journolist e-mails. Because that little incident illustrated yet again, that there's nothing that conservatives care more about than freedom of expression.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Just stop it. "Stupidity" is not a technical word. But it is a word the meaning of which we all know. Example: Sarah Palin wants to be Vice President. Sarah Palin believes that because Alaska is closer to Russia, that she has some kind of imputed foreign policy experience. I don't care what her IQ is, that's fucking stupid. Objectively.

TM

I agree that's a stupid statement. I don't agree that makes her as a whole stupid. Generally ignorant of/uneducated on a lot of things she claims knowledge on, yes, but stupid or a moron (which is a technical term, look it up), not as much.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Yes. She gets a lot of attention saying stupid shit and will now make a lot of money saying more stupid shit. I believe that's the Sebby definition of smart, no?

TM

I don't know if its the definition of smart, I just don't think its stupid.

If I was of slightly above average intelligence, but lacking good/refined analytical capabilities, but, had a lot of opinions on public policy (many of which were not backed up by fact or critical analysis) and I liked sharing those opinions, and organizations/people stepped up to pay me a lot of money to share those opinions, I would do it. Especially if my history of other non-low paying job opportunities was limited.

I can't see how you would call that stupid decision making. It might be more opportunistic than purely smart, but its not stupid.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Looks like he has already mitigated whatever damages he might have suffered.

Not sure that alleviates exposure to an EEOC claim.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Oh, and it's good to know that all of the conservatives who are defending Juan Williams were lining up behind David Weigel when he got canned by the Washington Post for expressing personal opinions on Journolist e-mails. Because that little incident illustrated yet again, that there's nothing that conservatives care more about than freedom of expression.

Cite please.

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Yes, that is really, really strange.

Is your post purposefully full of nothing?

TM

My posts often lack the sentence summarizing what my point is because I respect my reader's intelligence. The point of my earlier post was that something more than stupid people being fooled might be going on.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by ironweed

Hooligans!