Election 2010: Teabaggin' the Ds & Rs

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Same as it ever was.

That is good. "Female Chastity Violated!" "Do you want your house in flames?"

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

That is good. "Female Chastity Violated!" "Do you want your house in flames?"

until each of you have seen "Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson," I can't imagine em competent to understand my posts.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

For tourists you are correct. Have you spent much time on any of the islands living with locals or do you know many people who grew up there? There is a tremendous economic stratification. Further, media and retail culture were different when he grew up. there was no internet and not every town had a starbucks, walmart and mcdonalds.

True. Still, objectively, he is not an exotic person. Anecdotally, I've a relative in the news business who's met him casually and said he's pretty much exactly what you see on TV - direct, a bit full of himself like any politician, but generally just a typical guy. This, of course, is expected. Obama the candidate grabbed a whole lot of voters for the same reason Bush did - seemingly like a person with whom you could have a beer and shoot the shit. Any diversity he brings is not significant.

Oh, and he's lived in the Continental US since college. I think that washes out any Hawaiian uniqueness.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I care much more about their management of reality than their management of perceptions. I think Obama fucked up by appointing a conservative Republican, Ben Bernanke, to the most important economic policy job in the country. I think he set the bar too low on stimulus and didn't come away with enough. I think his administration fucked up the HAMP program. Those are all things that really matter. How he managed perceptions? Really?

You are talking about governance, I am talking about politics. I don't expect good governance from any of these people, regardless of ideology or party, but for their own sake and the sake of the money that they waste, they could at least accomplish good politics, and if they can't, it makes more convinced that anarchy should be the wave of the future.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

True. Still, objectively, he is not an exotic person. Anecdotally, I've a relative in the news business who's met him casually and said he's pretty much exactly what you see on TV - direct, a bit full of himself like any politician, but generally just a typical guy. This, of course, is expected. Obama the candidate grabbed a whole lot of voters for the same reason Bush did - seemingly like a person with whom you could have a beer and shoot the shit. Any diversity he brings is not significant.

Oh, and he's lived in the Continental US since college. I think that washes out any Hawaiian uniqueness.

Hmmmmm. Don't you think the first 18 years of your life and the family system, socio-economics and local culture you were raised in brings some perspective or context to how you interact with the world around you and people in it today; or are you saying that all of the booze and drugs of college washes clean of that psychological baggage and we start fresh with our sheepskins in hand?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

Hmmmmm. Don't you think the first 18 years of your life and the family system, socio-economics and local culture you were raised in brings some perspective or context to how you interact with the world around you and people in it today; or are you saying that all of the booze and drugs of college washes clean of that psychological baggage and we start fresh with our sheepskins in hand?

I would say I'm far more the person I was in college than before it.

But we needn't have that argument because it misses my point. My point was Obama has been living in the US for the last 30 years, and yes, they undo a lot, if not all, of the 18 that came before them.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I would say I'm far more the person I was in college than before it.

But we needn't have that argument because it misses my point. My point was Obama has been living in the US for the last 30 years, and yes, they undo a lot, if not all, of the 18 that came before them.

You should talk this through with your therapist.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

You should talk this through with your therapist.

I had a lot of fun in high school. But a whole lot more in college.*

And it stuck.

*May include three additional years of college some call "law school."

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

but Dems come through the rust belt and promise the jobs are coming back, so that becomes one of those promises that adder believes were fully met.

When did I say that all campaign promises were (or will be) fully met? Just how stupid do you think I am?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Just how stupid do you think I am?

my mom raised me not to call a fat man fat.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I had a lot of fun in high school. But a whole lot more in college.*

And it stuck.

*May include three additional years of college some call "law school."

you equate "fun" with inebriation far too often. i think you would be healthier, both mentally and physcically, if you made an effort to begin to distinguish the two.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

my mom raised me not to call a fat man fat.

And yet you have called me fat on more than one occasion. Does your mamma know?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

And yet you have called me fat on more than one occasion. Does your mamma know?

cite please

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I had a lot of fun in high school. But a whole lot more in college.*

And it stuck.

*May include three additional years of college some call "law school."

Were you reading the words or the beat of my post?

[Gattigap]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

So just because Reagan had similarly low numbers at the same point in his presidency justifies their management of perceptions? Maybe Reagan's team fucked up too, is that possible? Let's call David Stockman and ask him if Reagan made any mistakes in the first couple of years. Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I were president I would shoot for a higher ideal rather than marginalizing my expectations to the mediocrity of my predecessors. You goal setting may be done differently.

No. Sebby got my point on this and has my proxy. Tactical considerations like messaging can make a difference at the margins but if the economy sucks, your approval ratings will eventually suck too.