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					Originally Posted by Adder  This seems like a lot of effort to spend debunking an obvious lie.  I don't think one needs to get beyond "surveyors do not target."  It's a monumentally stupid line. | 
	
 Well, the politico link has a link to a credulous posting from the VRWC with a "surveyor's mark" asserting they are obviously the same, and I don't think 5 minutes on that is more of a waste of time than trying more than once to get the last word against Thurgreed on NFL discipline, so perhaps you aren't the one to throw stones.