My God, you are an idiot.

[Adder]

Bachmann again demonstrates that she is a delusional nutjob.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Makes you really admire a guy like Perry, right, who brags about how many people have been fried under his watch?

Yea, won't be voting for him, but that reason is the least of my concerns.

On another point, I don't know why Obama has to shut down LA traffic 2X per year to raise money. It's really fucking annoying. At least he's getting $40K a plate to do it.

[sgtclub]

Is Cain for real? I just saw a poll that was taken before his straw poll win that shows him leading the field.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

Is Cain for real? I just saw a poll that was taken before his straw poll win that shows him leading the field.

No. Or at least I don't think so.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

This point is something I never appreciated until recently. In addition to the friend I mentioned, I had another friend serve 48 months of a 53 month federal sentence. In both cases, I really got a look at how the Fed operates. Funny, because I use to be a law and order guy. But based on my vicarious experiences, the Feds don't operate much differently than organized crime. Their tactics, while maybe in the grey area of legality, are certainly not moral or have anything to do with justice. They (or at least many of them) are very small people, whose primary cares are "winning," advancing their careers, and making up for their small limp dicks.*

I think Sebby made this point years ago, probably with more flair than I.

When you watched The Untouchables, I'll bet you walked out of the theater saying, that Kevin Costner is handsome and that Sean Connery talks nice, but I just could not stomach their immoral and unjust tactics.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

When you watched The Untouchables, I'll bet you walked out of the theater saying, that Kevin Costner is handsome and that Sean Connery talks nice, but I just could not stomach their immoral and unjust tactics.

I know I was never too keen on the Antitrust Division issuing Red Notices for "fugitives" who, in the old days, it knew would never be extradited from any country in the world.

These days there are, what two or three countries (probably should know precisely), where price fixing is a crime and extradition is theoretically possible, so at least they have a pretext now.

[Adder]

Krugman said this, so it has to be wrong right? Does it matter if Greg Sargent (whoever that is) also said it?

But it sure sounds right to me. The Dems are pretty darn close to what the supposed centrists, especially the ones who claim they want a third party in the middle and/or a Bloomberg presidential run, say they want. Especially Obama.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

When you watched The Untouchables, I'll bet you walked out of the theater saying, that Kevin Costner is handsome and that Sean Connery talks nice, but I just could not stomach their immoral and unjust tactics.

You actually hit the nail on the head. There is no sense of calibration. They use the same grey area tactics in dealing with the little guy as they do with the mob.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

Krugman said this, so it has to be wrong right? Does it matter if Greg Sargent (whoever that is) also said it?

But it sure sounds right to me. The Dems are pretty darn close to what the supposed centrists, especially the ones who claim they want a third party in the middle and/or a Bloomberg presidential run, say they want. Especially Obama.

If you were a centrist and you really thought we needed a centrist third party, the way to move in that direction would be to start a party and create a platform and then to endorse D & R candidates who supported your positions. Throw some weight around to get people to move to the center.

Unfortunately, the centrists we actually have are useless preeners who are more interested in posing as centrists than in actually accomplishing anything. Thus, they position themselves between the two parties but can't actually bring themselves to draw distinctions and make choices between them.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

You actually hit the nail on the head. There is no sense of calibration. They use the same grey area tactics in dealing with the little guy as they do with the mob.

No one doesn't like those tactics when they're used on bad guys. It's only a problem when they're used on one's friends.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

If you were a centrist and you really thought we needed a centrist third party, the way to move in that direction would be to start a party and create a platform and then to endorse D & R candidates who supported your positions. Throw some weight around to get people to move to the center.

Or you do what Clinton and Gore did in the 1990s, and Tony Blair did in the UK. You start a movement to move one of the two parties to the center.

We already did that, but somehow most of the country missed it. It's weird, really.

Unfortunately, the centrists we actually have are useless preeners who are more interested in posing as centrists than in actually accomplishing anything. Thus, they position themselves between the two parties but can't actually bring themselves to draw distinctions and make choices between them.

Okay, maybe it isn't so weird. We have many "serious people" who are so invested in "pox on both their houses" as the means of maintaining Serious Person status that clearly whatever the Dems say must be a far left policy.

ETA: Removed the shout out to Sebby as he's kind of moved off his old "pox on both their houses" shtick.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

When you watched The Untouchables, I'll bet you walked out of the theater saying, that Kevin Costner is handsome and that Sean Connery talks nice, but I just could not stomach their immoral and unjust tactics.

Yeah, because all prosecutions are against guys like Al Capone.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

You actually hit the nail on the head. There is no sense of calibration. They use the same grey area tactics in dealing with the little guy as they do with the mob.

In the wake of 2008's banking crash, since it sounds like we're talking purported crimes of a white collar money changer pursuasion, I suspect any number of people, including any number of ultra-righty tea partiers, would have been quite happy seeing your friends and Sebby's fried like green tomatos. And cheered every grey tactic used to get them there.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

If you were a centrist and you really thought we needed a centrist third party, the way to move in that direction would be to start a party and create a platform and then to endorse D & R candidates who supported your positions. Throw some weight around to get people to move to the center.

Unfortunately, the centrists we actually have are useless preeners who are more interested in posing as centrists than in actually accomplishing anything. Thus, they position themselves between the two parties but can't actually bring themselves to draw distinctions and make choices between them.

fuck you. I make choices and distinctions all the time. so do Club and Sebby. It's all you wingers that can't ever drop the party banner.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Yeah, because all prosecutions are against guys like Al Capone.

Exactly: Qualms about the tactics go away if you think they're going after bad guys.