This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I was one of the pissed off people, but I think he served his time and deserves to seek out whatever gainful employment he can.

I also find it down right fascinating that there was a lot of talk about Plaxico Burress (dumbass who shot himself in the leg with an illegal gun), but not a peep about Donte Stallworth (dumbass who got drunk, got in his car, ran over a guy and killed him).

There was a lot of indignant sputtering on my facebook feeds when Vick was let back in the league, but not a single word about Stallworth, who was suspended from the league around the same time. Maybe a Browns receiver is lower status than an Atlanta QB or a fancy New York receiver. But 30 days in jail, plus 1,000 hours of community service, 2 years of house arrest, and 8 years probation for killing a guy seems kind of light compared to 23 months in federal prison, a million dollars to care for the dogs, and a $2500 state felony fine (Vick) or two years in jail for the weapons charge (Burress).

Burress's sentence is but one more example of the stupidity of zero tolerance punishment legislation, and mandatory sentences. What conceivable benefit does society derive from jailing that guy for two years? Fucking preposterous.

See also: Rockefeller Drug Laws; federal sentencing guidelines on LSD.

[Sparklehorse]

Originally Posted by cheval de frise

Far be it from me to wonder what he's been doing in France these last 30 years.

CDF

I'm not 100% certain about the chronology but I believe that immediately after he fled to France was when he engaged in a romantic/sexual relationship with then-15-year-old Natassia Kinski.

Apropos of the Kinkski family, for some reason, I hadn't realized until recently that she is Klaus Kinski's daughter. Although I believe he was essentially an absentee father, so it's hard to know what influences he actually had on her. He was a crazy genius, going by Werner Herzog's film about him. I think he would fit GWNC's asshole/genius paradigm.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Burress's sentence is but one more example of the stupidity of zero tolerance punishment legislation, and mandatory sentences. What conceivable benefit does society derive from jailing that guy for two years? Fucking preposterous.

See also: Rockefeller Drug Laws; federal sentencing guidelines on LSD.

Other than telling people that NY really does enforce those gun laws, and thus possibly deterring the incredibly stupid and dangerous practice of bringing guns to clubs and bars, none that I can conceive.

I won't defend drug sentencing laws, since they tend to treat bit players the same as kingpins.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The man's a degenerate. But the sentence was supposed to be probation.

I still don't get the source for this. Who told him probation? Cite, please. RT's link is a judge telling him he could end up in a looney bin or he could end up with a sentence, and him saying that he understands.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

This is either: (a) a dumb joke; (b) a pathetic attempt to score points with the harrumph-then-think crowd; or, (c) an acknowledgment the emotional side of your brain trumps the rational side.

Whichever, reread and respond like someone with modest powers of logic, or a better quality of wit.

If the emotional side of your brain is not jumping up and down and screaming in a discussion of child rape, you're spending too much time with the likes of either Roman Polanski or Michael Dukakis.

[LessinSF]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/vi...v=260431775537 (911call).

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by ltl/fb

Dudes i have a metal short thingy where my tooth should be!!!

Sweet. Can you hook up different gadgets to it that do things like squirt water or make odd ball noises?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Maybe playing for the Browns counted as time served?

If that were true, then Goodell would not have suspended him, but ordered him to play immediately.

[ltl/fb]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

Sweet. Can you hook up different gadgets to it that do things like squirt water or make odd ball noises?

I only wish. I don't control the finances enough to get that if it existed.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I just question the wisdom of efforts to make that happen.

Aside from Sebby's pure cost/benefit judgment, which I happen to think undervalues the cost of the negative example of a fleed child rapist, I don't know how you can say this. The choice facing the prosecutors office, which knows where he is going to be is (1) do nothing and let a convicted child rapist continue to go free, or (2) say, "eh, fuck it it's been a long time."

I don't know how anyone could expect a prosecutor to take option 2.

[Hank Chinaski]

I could never get a woman to be this devoted to me

spree- not safe for the not strong stomached

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

And perhaps because it's hurting us abroad,

Recognizing that I am failing to STP, how?

Oh, and also because I think that there is a decent chance that the attempt to extradite him will be unsuccessful, mean that we'll bear all those costs for no return.

I'm not sure that is right. I think the message that if you flee, you will find yourself arrested and facing extradition as often as we can arrange it is actually a good thing. Certain parts of DOJ share that view, even though they have never successfully extradited anyone.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Sparklehorse

I'm not 100% certain about the chronology but I believe that immediately after he fled to France was when he engaged in a romantic/sexual relationship with then-15-year-old Natassia Kinski.

Apropos of the Kinkski family, for some reason, I hadn't realized until recently that she is Klaus Kinski's daughter. Although I believe he was essentially an absentee father, so it's hard to know what influences he actually had on her. He was a crazy genius, going by Werner Herzog's film about him. I think he would fit GWNC's asshole/genius paradigm.

At least Avedon waited until she was 20:



Re line from Binkley. Sigh. I miss Bilmore.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I was one of the pissed off people, but I think he served his time and deserves to seek out whatever gainful employment he can.

I also find it down right fascinating that there was a lot of talk about Plaxico Burress (dumbass who shot himself in the leg with an illegal gun), but not a peep about Donte Stallworth (dumbass who got drunk, got in his car, ran over a guy and killed him).

There was a lot of indignant sputtering on my facebook feeds when Vick was let back in the league, but not a single word about Stallworth, who was suspended from the league around the same time. Maybe a Browns receiver is lower status than an Atlanta QB or a fancy New York receiver. But 30 days in jail, plus 1,000 hours of community service, 2 years of house arrest, and 8 years probation for killing a guy seems kind of light compared to 23 months in federal prison, a million dollars to care for the dogs, and a $2500 state felony fine (Vick) or two years in jail for the weapons charge (Burress).

Stallworth also took responsibility for his conduct from the start.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

Recognizing that I am failing to STP, how?



I'm not sure that is right. I think the message that if you flee, you will find yourself arrested and facing extradition as often as we can arrange it is actually a good thing. Certain parts of DOJ share that view, even though they have never successfully extradited anyone.

Those DOJ types are wound just a little too tight, if you ask me.