This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive

But from the tone of the board today, it seems unlikely.

Eddie Izzard does 43 marathons in 51 days: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8257587.stm

Sounds unpossible, but apparently not.

There is a movie coming out called My Run about a guy who ran 75 marathons in 75 days.

http://www.myrunmovie.com/

That's crazy.

[Fugee]

Originally Posted by dtb

I'm marrying into white-trashiosity. With a vengeance! The crown jewel in my WT cred? My FIL-to-be is a race-car driver.*



*But it's road racing, not NASCAR -- that still counts, though, right?!

I used to work with a partner who raced in the same club/league/whatever as Paul Newman. That was definitely not white trash racing.

On the other hand, if your future FIL does demolition derby, that's totally white trash.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by evenodds

My best friend called me this morning to say his doctor told him he needs to lose (at least) 40 pounds. Though he is a tall man, he is in deep denial about how fat he has become. He argued with me that fitness will be his ticket back to svelteness and that the weight gain has happened over the past 8 months. He is wrong on both counts.

I pointed out to him that he ate a bucket of buttered popcorn and the equivalent of 4 servings of pasta while I was with him last night.

His response: "I hadn't eaten all day and I didn't drink beer!" And then we argued over portion-size.

Any advice on conveying information about proper nutrition and portion size to a man in deep denial?

Give him a deck of cards. Nothing on his plate should be larger than that deck of cards, his plate should be just big enough to hold three decks. At each meal, one deck should be protein, one should be vegetable, and the third deck can be starch (but another vegetable is preferable).

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

Give him a deck of cards. Nothing on his plate should be larger than that deck of cards, his plate should be just big enough to hold three decks. At each meal, one deck should be protein, one should be vegetable, and the third deck can be starch (but another vegetable is preferable).

careful e/o- the last one to take this advice was adder, and he needs two airplane seats now-

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

"If you lose 40 pounds by Christmas, I will fuck you."

Next question.

If you expect this to work, don't show him Sidd's picture.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by evenodds

Any advice on conveying information about proper nutrition and portion size to a man in deep denial?

I could write more if I wasn't busy stuffing my face with more than I should have had for lunch, but what I have tried to do is focus first on food choices. Substitute carrot sticks for the popcorn, and limit snacking to fresh fruits and vegitables. That way you can eat when you are hungry, and until you are full, without loading up on calories.

I have also looked for easy ways to trim out calories, like not getting cheese or mayo (never really ate much mayo) on my sandwhich for lunch, substituting turkey breast for ham, and not getting chips or other sides (unless its carrots). It is also pretty easy to substitute ground turkey for ground beef in most recipes. And of course eating salad as a meal much more often, controlling the amount of dressing carefully.

I've found that I have learned to prefer eating this way, and, for example, when I go home to visit the parents and suddenly substitute red meat and potatoes for my usual diet that is heavier on fruit and vegitables that I can feel the difference and crave the fruit.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Adder

Substitute carrot sticks for the popcorn, and limit snacking to fresh fruits and vegitables.

When my get-up-and-go has got up and went
I hanker fer a hunk o’ cheese

It’s a real winner, and yet won’t spoil my dinner
I hanker fer a hunk o’ cheese

I hanker fer a hunk o’, a slab or slice or chunk o’
I hanker fer a hunk o’ cheese!

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Sparklehorse

I can't put my fingers on it at the moment, but I recently read about a new study that supported your theory -- that to lose a meaningful amount of weight, fewer calories does far more than increased exercise. Maybe you will have better success with google-fu. When I did google, a bunch of interesting supporting articles came up.

Time: "Why Exercise Won't Make You Thin"

and



Link

Neither of these pieces says much.

If you exercise you will be more hungry and will overcompensate by thinking, "I can eat more because I just burned X calories." Okay. Don't eat more.

You don't lose much more weight when you work out and change your eating habits than you do when you just change your eating habits. Okay. But if you work out, you will increase your muscle mass, which will make it seem like you're not losing much weight. The truth is, people care about losing fat. And if you work out and eat better, you will lose fat. Also, saying you won't lose that much more weight working out in combination with eating better doesn't make much sense because those extra 3 pounds on top of the 17 you would have lost eating right are probably impossible to lose with a change in diet alone.

All of this discussion about how to lose weight is pointless. It is very easy. Burn more calories than you take in. Do this by eating a more healthy diet and exercising regularly (and that means real exercise, not treadmill walking where you don't even build up a sweat).

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Fugee

I used to work with a partner who raced in the same club/league/whatever as Paul Newman. That was definitely not white trash racing.

On the other hand, if your future FIL does demolition derby, that's totally white trash.

You know, even Europeans can be WT. It's not exactly an exclusive club.



And do you know how many Tennessee Williams flix Paul Newman was in?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive

But from the tone of the board today, it seems unlikely.

Eddie Izzard does 43 marathons in 51 days: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8257587.stm

Sounds unpossible, but apparently not.

1. That is insane.

2. The volume feature on the media player used by this BBC website goes to 11.

TM

[ABBAKiss]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Neither of these

All of this discussion about how to lose weight is pointless. It is very easy. Burn more calories than you take in. Do this by eating a more healthy diet and exercising regularly (and that means real exercise, not treadmill walking where you don't even build up a sweat).

TM

Yes. I am so weary of the arguments that fail to address this very simply truth.

[evenodds]

Originally Posted by ABBAKiss

Yes. I am so weary of the arguments that fail to address this very simply truth.

In my experience, calories in, calories out was never the answer.

I tracked everything meticulously with a kitchen scale, worked with a nutritionist, had a trainer twice a week, worked out with a hrm to measure my intensity, and stepped on a very complicated scale every day.

I never saw as much progress as I did when I changed my diet subtly, dropped my calories lower, and stopped exercising as the result of a broken bone.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

People who have never had a problem with weight control sound like sanctimonous jackasses when telling people who do have problems with weight control what to do. Stay out of it, because you can't lose the weight for him and you're very likely to sabatoge the whole thing if you get pushy about it. I speak from deep personal experience on both sides of the weight loss equation on this.

If you feel the need to help, send him this link. Tell him a deeply out of shape friend of yours lost a lot of weight when she followed a regimine similar to the first schedule in this link and running burns a lot of calories. He can start on October 1 and be ready by January 24. If you feel the need to give him more, tell him also to investigate http://www.sparkpeople.com or http://www.weightwatchers.com. Those two programs offer much, much more than any individual person can.

I hate running, and I don't think my knees could take it. But I have found that riding a bike, even for what I consider relatively long distances (20-35 miles), works for me.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by ABBAKiss

Yes. I am so weary of the arguments that fail to address this very simply truth.

I love the fat guys in the gym who spend all their time doing ab work and lifting. Just stop. If you don't do any cardio, you're not helping anything. Hell, you're never even going to see your abs.

Why do people think situps will make their stomach look ripped? A healthy diet and cardio is the only thing that will allow you to see your abs.

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by evenodds

I never saw as much progress as I did when I changed my diet subtly, dropped my calories lower,

whichever sock wasted the "doesn't swallow" line earlier- look at the above set-up and realize the harm you have done.